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Hello, I can't successfully use a virtual floppy under Windows Vista Home Basic x86, even with administrative permissions. I tried VFD and ImDisk. I tried both, but not simultaneously. I can see the virtual floppy in Windows Explorer. Using Windows Explorer, I can copy files to the virtual floppy. The problem starts when trying to use some program that needs a floppy to write on.
Two examples of those programs are Ontrack Data Advisor and MemScope (floppy version). In the eyes of those programs, the floppy exists, but is not writable, even though I set it as writable in VFD or ImDisk.
MemScope's floppy creator actually uses a Winimage Self Extractor file. Data Advisor uses Ontrack Floppy Creator. I want to find a virtual floppy program that actually works on Vista, or maybe someone knows how to make VFD or ImDisk to work under Vista, not only using Windows Explorer. Any suggestions? Thank you in advance. First, I'm not sure what do you mean by 'find another floppy creator program'.
If I had a real floppy installed, the floppy creator would work. I don't choose a floppy creator. If that's the way a programmer wants to distribute its soft, and I want to use it, then I have to create the floppy. To 'find another floppy creator program' sounds like 'use UBCD without having to boot anything'.
Simply put, that's the way the program works. About trying a ramdisk, using VFD or ImDisk I tried it, but it didn't work either. There are tons of ramdisk software, but I have no idea which one could work as a virtual floppy. While testing ImDisk, I also followed the directions about starting its service automatically for each boot, and checking that ImDisk device driver (at Windows device manager) was working. For both VFD and ImDisk, I tried running them as administrator, and also in compatibility mode as XP, 2K and even Windows 98. Finally, I tried installing Virtualbox, with my vista system as host, and installed XP w/SP3 as guest. In the guest, I used a virtual floppy image (originally created as an empty 1440 floppy in the Vista host, using ImDisk in the host).
Then in the Virtualbox XP I ran the Ontrack floppy disk creator and it worked. I saved the floppy image, closed Virtualbox and then re-open the 1440 floppy image created, but this time using ImDisk in the original Vista host. The content of the floppy image was correctly created. So, to sum up, I had to install Virtualbox and install XP as a guest, create an empty 1440 image, ran the ontrack floppy creator at the guest, save the modified floppy image, and check it at the host system.
More than an hour of work for something that, supposedly, a virtual floppy like VFD or ImDisk should be enough to accomplish, and should take about 5 minutes. Please, don't think 'I'm done'. I still want to find out what to do to make VFD, ImDisk or any other virtual floppy software to work as it should (not just to copy files with Windows Explorer, but to work as if I had a physical floppy drive). Does anyone know if I am doing something wrongwith VFD or ImDisk?
Does anyone know any other virtual floppy software that works in Vista? Does anyone know a ramdisk software that works in Vista as a floppy? Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to explain exactly what I was doing, so maybe somebody could help. Really, any help is very welcome. Thank you in advance. Finally, I tried installing Virtualbox, with my vista system as host, and installed XP w/SP3 as guest.
In the guest, I used a virtual floppy image (originally created as an empty 1440 floppy in the Vista host, using ImDisk in the host). Then in the Virtualbox XP I ran the Ontrack floppy disk creator and it worked. I saved the floppy image, closed Virtualbox and then re-open the 1440 floppy image created, but this time using ImDisk in the original Vista host. The content of the floppy image was correctly created. So then why don't you try running Ontrack in XP SP3 Compatibility mode?
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Right click on the programs shortcut, select properties, under the compatibility tab at the top check the box next to 'run this program in compatibility mode for' and select XP SP3. Click apply then ok, then run the program with admin rights.
It's worth a shot. For both VFD and ImDisk, I tried running them as administrator, and also in compatibility mode as XP, 2K and even Windows 98. Any ideas why Virtualbox can successfully reproduce a floppy drive but VFD and ImDisk both failed in the task? If we can find what the problem is, or maybe what I did wrong, I could use VFD or ImDisk instead of the more time-consuming Virtualbox solution.
I'm still hoping to make them work for this task. Any help is welcome. What about any suggestion about some other virtual floppy or ramdisk software that works on Vista (or DOS) and can emulate a floppy drive? Thank you in advance. When the floppy is enabled in the bios, Vista shows me a floppy (A:) in my computer (it is not physically there).
I'm supposed to set the virtual floppy (either in VFD or ImDisk) to use A:, and when I do it, the virtual floppy 'replaces' the original A: that 'appeared / showed' on boot. Running those floppy creator programs (like memscope or ontrack advisor, or even old disk managers created by ontrack and licensed to hard drive manufacturers) in this state, just behave as I already described. Closing the virtual floppy leaves no A: in Windows Explorer until the next boot (this is a known issue, since I read about this in VFD / ImDisk help) So I'm not sure what to do next. Maybe I should have erased the floppy from device manager before starting ImDisk, but since the behavior was the same as before setting the bios with a floppy, it seems just like 'blind-surfing' with no direction. If you have any clue or suggestion about this, I'll be happy to try it. Since VFD needs no installation, and since Ontrack Advisor (free demo) is still available to download, maybe someone else could try to run the Ontrack Advisor Floppy creator using VFD? This test could help me find if I am the problem, or the virtual floppy, or the floppy creator program, or my Vista system has a particular configuration that prevents this combination from working correctly.
Please keep advising. I really appreciate any help.
Thank you in advance. That make sense why it wouldn't run in newer OS's. Kinda why I was suggesting getting a new program, as it seems to be too old.
Several/Many programs included in UBCD are really old, with no update at all, for years now. Somebody could still find them useful, and most newer users wouldn't know which tool to use and which one would make more problems than solutions. Old disk managers floppy creators, licensed by Ontrack to several Hard Disk Manufacturers, work also in Vista when the user has a real physical floppy (A:). Samsung's Disk Manager Floppy Creator (not floppy image), running it under Vista using compatibility mode to XP or 2K, gives me.
Diskette write-protect tab must be closed. That is, using VFD/ImDisk. But when using a real floppy drive, the program will create the floppy. BTW, to download Samsung's Disk manager Floppy Creator: If those programs weren't running with a real floppy drive, I would agree with you about having to use an older OS's. But they work as described.
That's why I would expect them to work with VFD/ImDisk, but all I get is that the floppy tab must be closed. I appreciate all your tips. If you have the possibility to reproduce the same behavior I have in my system; or even better, to resolve it, I'm grateful.
Thank you in advance. What are the exact steps you take to create a floppy image with VDF (which options did you check/uncheck)? Make sure that you didn't check 'Write Protect'. The programs you are trying to use, probably do a write protect check which isn't supported by VDF and/or imdisk. The creators of the programs should just give the possibility to create the raw floppy image too. It would even be better if you didn't need to 'create' it, but that you can just download the raw floppy image (so you don't need a platform specific program to create the image). For you information: You can open dmcreator.exe (Samsung's Disk Manager) with Resource Hacker or another resource editor.
Save the resource file which has a filesize of 1 528 859. What are the exact steps you take to create a floppy image with VDF (which options did you check/uncheck)? With VFD (properties - compatibility tab - as XP, as administrator) - Driver tab - Install (windows defender asks for permission to vfd.sys and I accepted) - Start (manual start) - Drive1 tab - Create persistent A: ramdisk 3.5' 1440 (write protect checkbox unchecked ) - format.
The creators of the programs should just give the possibility to create the raw floppy image too. It would even be better if you didn't need to 'create' it, but that you can just download the raw floppy image (so you don't need a platform specific program to create the image). I agree with you, but I have no influence on this matter.
I tried: creatorprogram.exe /help creatorprogram.exe /? Creatorprogram.exe -help creatorprogram.exe -? Hoping I could find some command-line parameter to create the image, but nothing happened and the program started as usual. $ dynamite dmfloppy.pkware dmfloppy.img I couldn't find a windows compatible replacement for dynamite. I tried 7-zip, uniextract and IZArc but I couldn't extract it.
I don't understand how this PKware compressed image is bigger than 1474560 bytes. I looked into, but the only thing I can see about the particular format is some SDK. I'm not a programmer, just a simple user, so I don't know what to do next. Is there any tool included in ubcd that could expand/extract this PKWARE compressed format?
Or any DOS tool that maybe is not included in ubcd? I am trying to understand about virtual floppy / ramdisk programs, to find out what's wrong, by reading some of the boot-land topics, but being a user, not a programmer, I couldn't follow most of the issues (like, for example, when they talk about NT miniport driver and VFD/ImDisk or something similar). Too technical for me to understand what to do next. Thank you for your help. I hope you can keep helping me to find out what I am doing wrong using VFD/ImDisk, or to find some other virtual floppy or ramdisk tool to create the floppy images from those Floppy-Creator programs. Thank you in advance. Can you try to see if the dmcreator.exe can create a floppy image when you install VFD or imdisk in your XP VM (non't attach a floppy drive to your XP VM, jsut to make sure if the dmcreator.exe does even work with VDF/imdisk.